Would you play in a band with someone who says this...

[DinoRomanelli]

McCartney's shows are amazing. I would never dispute that. He's a great performer and a great writer...sometimes.



Paul's post-Beatle output has been, for the most part, dismal. He's made some great music, but more not so much great music. Wings included Band On The Run (really good) and Venus And Mars (pretty good). Other wings albums: Wild Life (not good), Red Rose Speedway (atrocious), Wings At The Speed Of Sound (dismal), Back To The Egg (flat out awful), and London Town...sorry, Sterling. London Town was not a good album at all. Each one has one or two pretty good songs, but as a whole, Paul didn't seem to be caring much about what he was releasing on us.



Post Wings? McCartney II was flat out boring. Tug Of War and Pipes Of Peace were okay, at best...nothing great. Give My Regards To Broad Street? Give my ears a rest. Every subsequent Paul album has been anticipated as him finally putting together a consistent album, and he's failed to do so every time.



Unless, if by great, you mean songs like "C Moon" and "My Love"...pure tripe. Paul has written some really, really great songs. But the number of bad songs he's written far outweighs the good. If it weren't for the great stuff he's done, he'd be in the same breath as Rod Stewart as far as his albums go.



Then again, that's my opinion. Because I'm a huge fan of his, I always hope his next album will be the one. It just never is.

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[Sterling30]

"Chaos & Creation" is an amazing album as was "Flaming Pie" and others, I just don't think you're taken the time to listen..



Geez-- the guy's a grandfather and can still sing up to 40 songs in a single night.., and what is that catalogue now, about 500 songs???





There's no end to the trouble women bring..."



Bob Dylan

[DinoRomanelli]

I've taken the time to always listen to Paul. Because of who he is, and how talented he is. If he were anyone else, I would have given up on his new albums long ago. But he never fails to disappoint me.



And Flaming Pie was nowhere near amazing. The hype said it was, but it was nowhere near that good.

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[Sterling30]

Insisting on some sort of band democracy as the only means of creating a good song suggests to me you're not really in tune with creative music at all. (And certainly not what is the real source of it is, that shouldn't have to be explained to anyone..) Taste in music is subjective but I can assure you when Beethoven was composing his greatest symphonies he didn't let the orchrastra do it for him, he did it alone and that's what made him so great as many others like him..



But not to depart from McCartney too much, maybe your tastes have just changed. Popular music as a whole does little to move me these days. The Gin Blossoms still sound good to me, I just bought Kate Bush's entire catalogue, I love much of what Phoebe Legere has done, some group called "Robots in Disguise" sound real good, "The Nice Device" is a great sounding local act, Sutrobath has been great and Fisher's "Uppers & Downers" was-is a phenomenal record.. Kat & Gin have had their run, the others have enormous potential given the opportunity --- I'm not sure it's coming for them though..



I guess with Paul it's different though.. He hit it big at a young age and that why he still is in circulation. But I can't help but wonder what people would say had there been no Beatles and Pauls break was with Wings instead. I do get the feeling the Wings and post Wings solo period would be looked on much more respectfully.



I remember when Paul was in town in '93 and I happened to be near the Pontiac Silverdome with a friend the night he was playing. We decided to see if any scalpers were out and got some good seats at face value-- $40 I think.. The friend that was with me never liked the Beatles or McCartney but at the show he was amazed how different the McCartney crowd was from all the other rock shows he had been too and later commented on how much cooler they were than the rest of the people and the variety of people impressed him also..



I should add the musicians I've encountered since I started recording don't impress me at all. My guitar player's cool and comes up with some good ideas that are often used and has no ego hangups at all.., that's appreciated and I appreciate and respect my singers. The rest though... When mp3.com was hot you had all these phenomenal talents in abundance and the ones who did have real talent were cool for the most part. You also had the dregs of the earth as you do everywhere and none of them had talent at all from what I could tell. It could have been something wonderful for so many people but in the end all the real talents left and nothing that can even be considered average remains...



Interesting what someone told me the other day.. If you want to fly with the eagles you have to stay away from the turkeys..



I think that's funny. Good luck Dino.

Edited by: Sterling30 at: 1/5/06 13:51

[DinoRomanelli]

I'm not insisting that a democracy is the key to making good music. I'm saying that having an open mind to what the people around you (those who you are entrusting your material to) think can be very helpful in the creative process.



Beethoven is a bad example. He wrote his music and then brought in what would be today's equivalent of studio musicians to play it for him. Kind of like hiring a band to record your demo for you. In that situation, you have every right to demand complete control of what you do.



I'm not saying that every song must be a group composition. My argument here is that you simply should be open to the ideas of those you are sharing the stage with, if you are considering them to be part of your band. Even when McCartney was with The Beatles, he allowed the others to have input on his songs, as he was allowed by them. He went in later and changed what he didn't like, but he was smart enough to listen.



As an example, take "A Day In The Life". John's song. Paul says, "Hey, I've got this thing we can throw in the middle here. I think it would be good". John listens and likes it. Now, suppose John had said, "No way. I wrote it, it stays as it is". Would "A Day In The Life" have what it takes to make you want to still hear it almost 40 years later? Maybe. Would it have been as good a song as it is? No. And there are several Paul songs ("I've Got A Feeling", for instance. Imagine that song without the "Everybody had a good year..." lines) that he allowed the same kind of input. John and Paul didn't write a lot of songs together. But each was open to the other's input. That's what made many of their songs so far above what other bands were doing. Each member had a say, as did George Martin.



I'm not disputing that Paul is a great performer, or that he puts on a great show. His albums...not so much. What's missing in his post-Beatles work? And John's, for that matter? Each other. They made each others songs better. And apart from each other, John became too political and harsh and not as melodic, while Paul's music became more mushy and not as smart. Those are the things they missed not playing together.



Not everyone has good ideas to contribute to your songs. And not everyone has the head on their shoulders to be able to make a suggestion and have it turned down. But IN A BAND SITUATION, respect should be given to other members by at least listening to what they have to say. A band does not survive on bad feelings or the feeling that ones creativity is being stifled by another.



As far as Wings is concerned, I believe that had Paul not been a Beatle, Wings would not have made it as far as Band On The Run, their best album. The first album, Wild Life, contained zero hits. None. It's a bad album. The second, Red Rose Speedway from 1973, gave us "My Love", easily the sappiest song he ever recorded...and nothing else worth mentioning. A non-Beatle would have been done at that point...or not given the promotion necessary on subsequent releases. Band On The Run was a Wings album in name only...he was the band with only Linda & Denny Laine helping out. But would he have made it that far had he not been a Beatle? I seriously doubt it. And I don't think "My Love" would have been the hit it was had it not been written by a Beatle.



As far as the poor taste in music comment, well, that's your opinion, based solely on the fact that I don't jump through hoops at the sound of a bad McCartney album as you do. That's okay. You can think what you want to in terms of my taste. Although I would not say that about you, even though I think London Town is schmaltzy and ooey. If that's what you like, cool. I just don't share that feeling.



So, we're going to disagree about that. Fine. And we're going to disagree that Chris should be able to voice her opinion about a song she has to sing onstage as a member of the band (not as a hired musician...a band member). And it's obvious that you don't like Chris very much. To each his own. I admire Chris because she has her heart and soul in what she's doing, and that's enough for me. Not so much for you. Oh well. But who cares if you and her had a tiff about her singing for you. Just get over it. If you don't want to be around someone you don't like, then move on and forget about it. You'll be happier that way.

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So, we're going to disagree about that. Fine. And we're going to disagree that Chris should be able to voice her opinion about a song she has to sing onstage as a member of the band (not as a hired musician...a band member). And it's obvious that you don't like Chris very much. To each his own. I admire Chris because she has her heart and soul in what she's doing, and that's enough for me. Not so much for you. Oh well. But who cares if you and her had a tiff about her singing for you. Just get over it. If you don't want to be around someone you don't like, then move on and forget about it. You'll be happier that way.

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First let me refer to a note I recently read where the poster just couldn't conceive how someone with no musical training could compose music and imagine the rest of the commentors agreeing with him..



Now think about what they are really saying for a moment Dino.. What they are really say is that without all the years of extensive training they had in musical that they would be unable to compose anything without that training, yet they take exception to someone who can without that same training. (What they are really admitting is that thei collective talent really amounts to about 1/2 a pile of doggy doo-doo and can't beging to even grasp why everyone else isn't at least as incompetent as themselves..,That's the same cloth Chris B is cut from Dino..)



I've dealt with these same clowns before and not one of them had ever accomplised anything in their lives musically but they are all so judgemental of others and so quick to tear down their efforts. I've dealt with these nutcases locally and that was bad enough but to deal with one all they way from China is really going to far.



I was never anything less that kind and respectful to Chris and never interfered in her efforts once. Yet she barges into my musical world and after she was told to leave, I accept her apologies and tell her she can cover any songs she wants on her own in the future but their won't be any recording projects and I will only work with local people from now on which is very fair on my part. She then immediatly decides to invite herself into our studio sessions??? (Something wrong here don't you think Dino???) Well then it's pretty obvious something sure isn't right and in due time she's going to drop a few cards she's hiding which she proceeds to do.., and implicates a few of the characters who are obviously also involved in whatever trouble she's trying to cause.. (This isn't the first time I've dealt with the like of Chris, just not from 1/2 way around the world..)



And this is from someone again who I was never less than completely kind and respectable too..



BTW.., Read the interview Playboy had with John Lennon in 1975..., neither he or Paul could read or write a single note of music yet they may both be the greatest composers in history yet try and explain that to those incompetent idiots who can't conceive how that's possible.. If you want to know who they are by name Chris can tell you..



She sure is a serious artist allright... Oh yeah...





"There's no end to the trouble women bring.."



Bob Dylan

Edited by: Sterling30 at: 1/7/06 4:28

[HatefulMusic]

It's time for your medication.

Theo

HatefulMusic.com

[bbchris]

Wow! This thread has imploded with Sterling's fantasies. I did enjoy moments of the Paul McCartney conversation. hahahaha



Sterling, you've long lost the grips of the very first post that started this thread - its getting a bit boring though to be honest. I'm flattered about your obsession with me and how you want to psycho analyse me. However isnt' it time you got busy with doing things in the real world?



Dino - how lovely of you to state the basic facts so clearly. I'm impressed - not just a tall handsome guy but also an astute musician



Theo - thanks for answering the only question I was asking in my initial post!

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[DinoRomanelli]

I think everyone is pretty much aware of John & Paul's lack of formal musical training. Myself, I learned to read music when I was 8. I gave it up when I started playing rock...it became unneeded. You don't have to be trained in order to be a good musician or a good writer.



As far as your beef with Chris is concerned, I really don't care (repeats himself). And from what I've seen, neither does anyone else, including Chris. I've also seen that lately, the only time you turn up seems to be when you can get into it with her. Did she start it? Don't care. Did you egg her on? Again, don't care. What I do care about is seeing people who are doing their best, trying to do something with their talent and passion getting ripped for it.



Let it go.

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[Sterling30]

Sometimes when people are just overly sweet and lovely, well..., lets just say they aint really overly sweet and lovely at all...





Dino.., good luck with your music..



Bye.

Edited by: Sterling30 at: 1/11/06 9:28

[droolymutt]

Sterling?













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bb is a world class snake and a creep not to mention a liar as well

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Them's fightin' words, creep.

[droolymutt]

Yep.





I stand behind Steve on that one.

[HatefulMusic]

Bye again, huh? Yeah, right. Psycho boy will be back. The little voices won't let him stay away.

Theo

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[Sterling30]

"There's no end to the trouble women bring.."



Bob Dylan





She'd sell you in a heartbeat too.. Wonderful person allright, with nothing better to do than interfere in other people's lives. Pure class.