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RonOnGuitar



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:18 pm    Post subject: Ongoing Jihadi civil war in France.... Reply with quote

From: Tim Blair ,there are links in the text below to be found at that page.

Looks like now the Islamists - at the least - pretty much rule the suburbs of Paris.

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Wednesday, November 02, 2005

PARIS, CITY OF LIGHT

Well, city of lighting things on fire, anyway:



[French Interior Minister Nicolas] Sarkozy says that violence in French suburbs is a daily fact of life.



Since the start of the year, 9,000 police cars have been stoned and, each night, 20 to 40 cars are torched, Sarkozy said in an interview last week with the newspaper Le Monde.



Riots have now been underway for four days, and “French youths” seem disinclined to stop:



Dalil Boubakeur, head of the Paris mosque and of the ineffective joke known as the French Council of the Muslim Faith, was pelted with rocks by French youth in Seine Saint Dénis where he called for an end to Paris’ suburban riots.

Paris isn’t the only place being Eurotrashed. Meanwhile, in a fifth night of Parisian rioting ...

* Two classrooms were set ablaze;

* 19 people were detained and 13 arrested;

* 21 cars were incinerated;

* Three police were injured;

* And Sarkozy’s descriptions of the perps as “s-c-u-m” and “riffraff” were denounced by Equal Opportunities Minister Azouz Begag, who said that re-establishing order requires “fighting the discrimination that victimizes youths”.



UPDATE. We’re into night six. Scorecard:



* 20 police face off with 40 riffraff in Aulnay-sous-Bois;

* Carpet store set afire;

* And about 100 fires burning in numerous suburbs.





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DreamTone7



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:01 pm    Post subject: re Reply with quote

Cow-towing in England...that and bombings in Spain...riots in France. Sad to say, but methinks 'tis a harbinger of things to come for europe.

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Rev9Volts



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:12 pm    Post subject: Re: re Reply with quote

EURABIA!!!! the moslems will take europe over and then y'all will realize too late usa was right all along. this stuff goes back 1000 years.

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DreamTone7



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 6:26 pm    Post subject: re Reply with quote

...and most likely will do so for another thousand, too; with the attitudes I see from europeans on this board. I hope to God they're not representative of the masses over there. If they are, we're all in for a lot of suffering.

Edited by: DreamTone7  at: 11/3/05 18:27
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Galmin
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Ongoing Jihadi civil war in France.... Reply with quote

Oh stuff it, the riots in france has as much with Jihad to do as Katrina had with race.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Ongoing Jihadi civil war in France.... Reply with quote

Classic denial. It's exactly what will allow this sort of thing to escalate until it's too late to stop it by relatively peaceful means.

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HKRockChick
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:14 am    Post subject: Re: Ongoing Jihadi civil war in France.... Reply with quote

Do any of you right wing types in the US have any idea how the riots originated?



Swallowing everything you read in the right wing media again, I see...



Not surprising. :dunno

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DreamTone7



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:49 am    Post subject: Re: Ongoing Jihadi civil war in France.... Reply with quote

There are certain facts of the case that are very telling, Deb. Have a look at them, please. Let's see if you are any better at deducing some truth from them than I am. ;)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:54 am    Post subject: Re: Ongoing Jihadi civil war in France.... Reply with quote

By all means, DT, feel free to post what the issues are (NOT your tail-end conclusions) supported by balanced reporting, not right wing propaganda.



:popcorn

Edited by: HKRockChick at: 11/4/05 2:55
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DreamTone7



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:45 am    Post subject: Re: Ongoing Jihadi civil war in France.... Reply with quote

OK, Deb. Three and a half years ago, Christopher Caldwell wrote an essay in the Weekly Standard about the dangers inherent in the suburbs of Paris, which are not quite suburbs. The essay was about French anti-Semitism, including the French “youths’” unremitting attacks on Jews. The French insisted there was no problem...and so, of course, nothing was done.



Today, the French are paying for it. Three and a half years ago, it was the Jews paying the price of French indifference. But the writing was on the wall for all to see:



"The Jewish attacks–it should be plain by now–are the work of the Muslim minority in France. Let no one doubt the delinquency, though. These neighborhoods are becoming single-race areas, inhabited by North African immigrants and their second- and third-generation descendants. They are zones of drug-dealing, political apathy, unemployment (which stands over 35 percent in such places), and violence. Hence law-enforcement agents, mayors, and politicians refer to the most violent among them as zones de non-droit (”lawless areas”), where even the police won’t go, except maybe in daylight hours to remove a body. Public powers are resisted with force, and not just the police, who have been targeted for killing by organized “anti-cop brigades.” Even firemen, long a beloved class of public servants in France, have been assaulted in housing projects surrounding Paris.



[…] In fact, it would be accurate to describe “suburban” as the French equivalent of the American adjective “inner-city,” except for one difference. France’s HLMs and other “sensitive neighborhoods” have become missionary fields for professional re-islamisateurs–proselytizers, usually financed by Saudi Arabia (which occasionally uses Algerian foundations as a pass-through for its funding) or Iran, and sometimes by fundamentalist groups in London. These seek to woo young people of Islamic background to a radical political understanding of Islam.



It is such proselytizing that has led to what French people call la benladenisation des banlieues, the most famous alumnus of which is Zacarias Moussaoui. But he’s not alone. The “Arab” suicide bomber who–to protest Arab countries’ “preventing their people from launching jihad against the Jews”–blew up a truck full of explosives in front of a synagogue in Tunisia on April 11, killing a dozen German tourists and six others, was a Franco-Tunisian named Nizar Nawar. His family lives in Lyons, where his uncle, too, was arrested in connection with the attack. One of the four terrorists on trial for trying to blow up Strasbourg’s synagogue last year has long lived in France. September 11 saw West Bank-style rejoicing incidents in some Arab neighborhoods. There was also a spectacular terrorist incident a week before. On September 2 in the town of Beziers, a hoodlum named Safir Bghouia attacked a group of police with a shoulder-held rocket launcher, phoned in death threats to local officials, machine-gunned the local police constabulary, and executed the town’s deputy mayor, before he himself was shot dead the next day, dressed in white and howling that he was a “son of Allah.” "



This essay was written OVER THREE YEARS AGO!



In this link, there is most of the same stuff you'll find in most of the other news agency reports...only telling part of the story (as usual). But of interest is that Sarkozy notes that the street violence that occurred in the most restive area, the northeastern region of Seine-Saint-Denis, was well organized! Interesting indeed, in light of Caldwells essay:



www.ttc.org/200511032102....m26746.htm

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Galmin
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: Ongoing Jihadi civil war in France.... Reply with quote

Rodney King, the LA Riots, were they about Jihadists aswell? Wow!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:29 am    Post subject: Re: Ongoing Jihadi civil war in France.... Reply with quote

What about the N'awleans riots? Jihad too?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: Ongoing Jihadi civil war in France.... Reply with quote

Tres gauche

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Galmin
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: Ongoing Jihadi civil war in France.... Reply with quote

Dalaupproret 1743, Jihadists!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Ongoing Jihadi civil war in France.... Reply with quote

rodney king was on crack and who knows what. he has been arrested since he is vermin and deserved what he got.

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